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Posts: 2490
Location: East Coast of Wisconsin | Subject: Hell to pay again.
Go here,
http://nypost.com/2017/08/20/search-and-rescue-underway-after-uss-mccain-collision/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaig |
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1796
Location: Albany, GA. | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
What is this, the new terrorism? Ramming with Merchant vessels? Or has our seamanship gotten this bad? God protect the souls of the ten missing, and provide comfort to their families. Hopefully they will be located alive. |
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Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 715
Location: Conway, NH | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
Updated Navy release:
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=102034
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COMSUBBBS
Posts: 3667
Location: Kansas City Missouri | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
God protect the souls
Two things that can't be proven to exist, doesn't help.
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Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 853
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GaryKC,
I get so damned sick of your anti religious pokes and cynicism along with your "walking the rail" political comments. Yet if some one else makes a political comment you appoint your self the hall monitor and scream foul. Ya, you can get to me. Get your head around the fact that some things just don't need to be said.
Edited by fortyrod 2017-08-21 6:15 AM
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Master and Commander
Posts: 2490
Location: East Coast of Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
Great point. Quoting a post I made to another site.
Destroyer collides with civilian ship
A desperate search is underway for the missing U.S. sailors after the U.S.S. John McCain collided with a civilian tanker off the coast of Singapore. Here's the latest on this quickly developing situation.
Note the useless media is telling us (twice) in one paragraph us the tin can collided with the tanker. The accompanying pic shows the port side aft holed and bent inward. Obviously the can backed into the tanker at at high speed.
For the media.
Subject destroyer' (noun) ,action 'collided' (verb). I think rather " Tanker rams tin can in the butt". |
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Master and Commander
Posts: 2490
Location: East Coast of Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
Agree. Even if religion is a hoax, it provides good advice even for the stupid on how to act in company. |
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COMSUBBBS
Posts: 2672
Location: New Jersey | Subject: I just don't get it?
Having served on a bird farm for a year and standing watches on the bridge and observing how seriously we all took our jobs and having been a lookout on Sirago, before being "promoted" to the engine rooms, we were on the surface often enough day and night, mostly night, that all the lookouts along with radar coordinated their eyes on anything that appeared on the horizon or not. We had one OOD that had the lookouts trying to see who could be the first to "eyeball" a target after it had been reported by radar.
So I just don't understand why the stunning lack of expertise looms over these incidents. I know someone will say, "not all of the info is known ". To which my response is BS. We transited many "busy" areas day and night without incidence, maybe luck had something to do with it, but that's diminishing the expertise of our crew.
Something seems to be missing from today's seamanship ability. I wonder how many sailors will be demoted because of this incident.
Hope they find out what it is soon...
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1796
Location: Albany, GA. | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
Green Beret talking head on Fox says his Navy pals all say that Surface Warfare Qualification has become a joke, and is more than likely responsible for these collisions. Apparently Officer Quals used to take eighteen months, and are now accomplished in six. Resulting in another watch stander for the bill giving more free time to department heads. I didn't say it, he did. |
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Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 715
Location: Conway, NH | Subject: SWO Quals
After reading COMNAVSURFORINST 1412.1C I do not see the quals being completed in 6 months. There is a letter that is sent to Commander, Naval Surface Forces with CO recommendation and dates of completions of certain events. If the dates do not fit with the expected I highly doubt the Admiral would not be visiting the command to find out why.
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1814
Location: Boydton, Virginia | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
When Navy casualties in non-combat areas far outnumber Army and Marine casualties in combat areas of Iraq and Afghanistan, perhaps the Navy should look inward at their training and officer corps. Just saying....
Steamboat sends |
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1576
Location: Wollongong, NSW | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
Our news yesterday evening stated that the McCain was 'Not Under Command" at the time (steering/mechanical problems - can't remember which) and as such, considering the collision occurred to the East of Singapore Strait, should have been given a wide berth by the other ship. |
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1796
Location: Albany, GA. | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/22/remains-navy-sailors-found-on-uss-john-s-mccain.html
They are finding the bodies. Hopefully they will all be located so the families can have closure. |
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Master and Commander
Posts: 2490
Location: East Coast of Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
duty after second deadly mishap in Pacific
Published August 22, 2017 Fox News
Vice Admiral Joseph Aucoin, commander of the Navy's 7th Fleet.
Vice Admiral Joseph Aucoin, commander of the Navy's 7th Fleet. (Defense Video & Imagery Distribution System)
The U.S. Navy will relieve the commander of its 7th Fleet from duty after the fleet suffered its second deadly mishap in less than three months, a U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News.
An official statement from the Navy regarding the relief of Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin was expected late Tuesday night. The decision was first reported by the Wall Street Journal. |
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Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 715
Location: Conway, NH | Subject: &th Fleet Fired
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=102073
His relief:
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/bios/navybio.asp?bioID=576
Edited by mike652 2017-08-23 4:20 AM
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I was just wondering on destroyers such as these two how many would normally stand as lookouts per watch? I assume these type destroyer still have lookouts with binoculars. For some reason I think I heard the number 20 being bantered - does that seem possible?
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Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 853
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Gil - 2017-08-23 12:00 PM
I was just wondering on destroyers such as these two how many would normally stand as lookouts per watch? I assume these type destroyer still have lookouts with binoculars. For some reason I think I heard the number 20 being bantered - does that seem possible?
There are three lookouts. Two asleep on each bridge wing, and one aft on the helo deck playing his DS |
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Master and Commander
Posts: 1576
Location: Wollongong, NSW | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
Twenty lookouts total for all watches and general quarters could be right.
Insurance premiums must be rising in Westpac! |
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COMSUBBBS
Posts: 6180
Location: Summerville, SC | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
Ya reckon maybe the watch standers were fiddling with their ipads, smart phones or whatever? Being that Singapore area is about 12 hours ahead of us which means at mid-night 30 it is day light here in the States. Wouldn't surprise me that this modern Navy has their heads up their arse. |
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COMSUBBBS
Posts: 3667
Location: Kansas City Missouri | Subject: RE: Hell to pay again.
Last night, watching CBS, local affiliate breaks in during a commercial break to show footage of a wreck on a freeway, back to network...picture without sound for 5 minutes. Point is, has the technology entrenched itself so deeply into our gadgets to become more of a detriment than being helpful? Hey, I'm a big fan of tech, but, when your survival depends on something having electrical power and/or computer code to work, it increases the likelihood of something going wrong. Binoculars and sound powered headphones, Over!
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Great Sage of the Sea
Posts: 715
Location: Conway, NH | Subject: All Remains Recovered
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=102156 |
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Hell to pay again.
