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At random: During their wartime operations submarines have engaged in some unusual maritime actions. One undersea craft slugged it out with the infantry and field artillery while other submarines destroyed a zeppelin, a bus, and a railroad train.
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AtoZ
Posted 2017-06-16 7:31 PM (#84236)


Great Sage of the Sea

Posts: 619

Subject: Collision

WTF? USN DD one of the most maneuverable {Surface} vessels gets hit by a Filipino container ship one of the least maneuverable. I gotta hunch some naval careers are about to end.
Holland Club
Posted 2017-06-16 7:42 PM (#84237 - in reply to #84236)


Master and Commander

Posts: 2490

Location: East Coast of Wisconsin
Subject: RE: Collision

Yep and unfortunately 7 missing.
Sewer Pipe Snipe
Posted 2017-06-17 2:43 AM (#84239 - in reply to #84236)
Master and Commander

Posts: 1796

Location: Albany, GA.
Subject: RE: Collision

There is probably a lot here that we do not understand and are not privy to. For to a simple mind of a Nuke, this not only shouldn't happen, it couldn't happen baring machinery failure.
Ric
Posted 2017-06-17 7:33 AM (#84240 - in reply to #84239)


Plankowner

Posts: 9162

Location: Upper lefthand corner of the map.
Subject: RE: Collision

Seems it was 2:30 in the morning. Pitch black, in a heavily traveled sea-lane.
AtoZ
Posted 2017-06-17 8:34 AM (#84241 - in reply to #84240)


Great Sage of the Sea

Posts: 619

Subject: RE: Collision

Ric - 2017-06-17 8:33 AM

Seems it was 2:30 in the morning. Pitch black, in a heavily traveled sea-lane.


I guess they both had running lights off and the DDG's CO, who was on the bridge, as well as the lookouts, radar, etc, etc were all asleep

GaryKC
Posted 2017-06-17 9:05 AM (#84242 - in reply to #84236)


COMSUBBBS

Posts: 3664

Location: Kansas City Missouri
Subject: RE: Collision





Edited by GaryKC 2017-06-17 9:50 AM
carlb
Posted 2017-06-17 1:07 PM (#84244 - in reply to #84242)
Senior Crew

Posts: 183

Subject: RE: Collision

Eternal Father, strong to save,
Whose arm hath bound the restless wave,
Who bidd'st the mighty ocean deep
Its own appointed limits keep;
Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea!
Holland Club
Posted 2017-06-17 1:31 PM (#84245 - in reply to #84244)


Master and Commander

Posts: 2490

Location: East Coast of Wisconsin
Subject: RE: Collision

Your response is very welcome and filled with care and concern. Thanks for sharing.
rover177
Posted 2017-06-17 3:38 PM (#84246 - in reply to #84236)
Master and Commander

Posts: 1576

Location: Wollongong, NSW
Subject: RE: Collision

Looking at the pictures in our presses, there is a possibility the Philippino vessel was in an overtaking position; the hit is on the port side of the bow. Both ships however, became free to manoeuvre to avoid collision when the situation became classed as 'in extremis' - that is, when the actions of one vessel alone would not be sufficient to avoid collision. All those years come back! Even have my foriegn going masters ticket in the box of 'old stuff.'

Was once in a situation in Odin; South China Sea from Subic Bay to Hong Kong. We, lit and on the surface, were the privileged vessel. Polish cargo ship was not altering. Captain (Tim Swales) came to the bridge and we manoeuvred to parallel. Aldis light blazing showed no one on the bridge and no answering calls on VHF radio channel 16 or the local emergency channel. Report sent off but heard no more.
Sewer Pipe Snipe
Posted 2017-06-17 8:22 PM (#84247 - in reply to #84236)
Master and Commander

Posts: 1796

Location: Albany, GA.
Subject: RE: Collision

Seven missing sailor's bodies found in flooded compartments. May there be peace for the families and crew of these individuals. 
Holland Club
Posted 2017-06-17 8:52 PM (#84248 - in reply to #84247)


Master and Commander

Posts: 2490

Location: East Coast of Wisconsin
Subject: RE: Collision

yes, peace for the families and Rest In Peace, Sailors.

Never was the line "All gave some, some gave all" more appropriate.
Ron
Thomas Courtien
Posted 2017-06-19 5:05 AM (#84252 - in reply to #84236)
Master and Commander

Posts: 1889

Location: Patterson, New York
Subject: RE: Collision

It is sad to read about young sailors dying and thinking about the poor families.

I read that the container ship in addition to hitting the bridge and below the water line (crews berthing) also hit the Captain's Cabin; that is why he is hurt.

Initial reports say the container vessel made a turn just prior to the collision. The shipping company says that turn was 1/2 hour before the collision.

The reality, there will be a long investigation and probably enough blame to go around. Like my mother-in-law used to say "the truth is usually somewhere in the middle".

As we all know, even in peace time, the ocean can be a deadly place if everyone does not do their job 100%.

We pray for their families.

steamboat
Posted 2017-06-19 5:23 AM (#84253 - in reply to #84236)
Master and Commander

Posts: 1814

Location: Boydton, Virginia
Subject: RE: Collision

Yes, I agree that our thoughts and prayers should be focused on the families of the seven deceased sailors, and also the remaining crew.
Time will tell how contrite the Japanese are, given their outrage over the USS Greenville incident of a few years ago off Hawaii.
PAv Pochoca (ex- Atule)

Steamboat sends
chiefjoe
Posted 2017-06-19 11:00 AM (#84254 - in reply to #84236)
Senior Crew

Posts: 188

Location: Manassas, VA
Subject: RE: Collision

The old adage that it is never a privilege to be the privileged vessel can be so true. As the to maneuver at the point of extremis. That only helps if each takes action that combine to avoid the collision.

I don't remember any thing is the rules that assigns responsibility to maneuver according to maneuveability (unless one is under sails).
rover177
Posted 2017-06-19 1:40 PM (#84257 - in reply to #84236)
Master and Commander

Posts: 1576

Location: Wollongong, NSW
Subject: RE: Collision

chiefjoe - there isn't. Sail only has privilege in confined waters, where there is a lack of ability to manouevre.

The privileged vessel is required to maintain same course and speed whilst the burdened vessel manoeuvres to keep clear. Only when actions by the burdened vessel alone will not be sufficient to avoid collision may the privileged vessel deviate from same course and speed. The Rule of the Road became easier with VHF radio and channel 16 guard frequency but that still requires both vessels to have an adequate lookout.

In my earlier post I wrote that there was no one on the bridge of the Polish vessel so it was not acting iaw the Rules; hence we had to manoeuvre to avoid the otherwise collision.
Holland Club
Posted 2017-06-19 4:18 PM (#84261 - in reply to #84257)


Master and Commander

Posts: 2490

Location: East Coast of Wisconsin
Subject: RE: Collision

Also read an account that there was no one on the bridge of the container ship either. Did note the skinned up paint work on the port bow also. Sure looks like the ship was the 'hitter' and the DD was the 'hitee'

DD skipper a native of Green Bay. Blessings for him and the rest of the crew.

Edited by Holland Club 2017-06-19 4:21 PM
Pete
Posted 2017-06-20 7:35 AM (#84262 - in reply to #84236)


Senior Crew

Posts: 206

Location: Edina. MN
Subject: RE: Collision

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As news spread through the rest of the 7th Fleet that seven sailors had perished when the USS Fitzgerald collided with a container ship, the crew of another hard-luck destroyer assembled on its stern.

The USS Cole had lost 17 sailors to a terrorist bomb in 2000. The current crew gave tribute to their ill-fated comrades from Saturday’s collision by standing in formation in the shape of the digits 62, the hull number for the destroyer Fitzgerald.

“Few words can express our sorrow for the loss of our USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) shipmates—a simple picture must try,” read the caption when the USS Cole—hull number DDG 67—posted the tribute photo on the 7th Fleet website on Sunday.

The word “shipmates” embraced two sailors who had followed family members into the U.S. military, but also one from Vietnam and another from the Philippines and another from Guatemala and another from Okinawa. The sister of the Vietnamese-American, 25-year-old Sonar Technician 3rd Class Ngoc Truong “Tran” Huynh, had another word for those seven sailors as diverse as the country they died serving.

“Our family will never be whole again without him but we are just happy he didn’t die alone, he died with his brothers,” Mary Huynh said in a statement.

And therein resides America’s true greatness, the making of shipmates and brothers of people hailing from seemingly everywhere. Along with Tran Huynh from Vietnam and Oakville, Connecticut, these particular seven included Gunner’s Mate Seaman Dakota Kyle Rigsby, 19, from Palmyra, Virginia; Yeoman 3rd Class Shingo Alexander Douglass, 25, from Okinawa and then San Diego; Gunner’s Mate 2nd Class Noe Hernandez, 26, from Guatemala and then Weslaco, Texas; Fire Controlman 2nd Class Carlos Victor “Hitch” Ganzon Sibayan, 23, from the Philippines and then Chula Vista, California; Personnel Specialist 1st Class Xavier Alec Martin, 24, from Halethorpe, Maryland; and Fire Controlman 1st Class Gary Leo Rehm Jr., 37, from Elyria, Ohio.

The most senior of the seven, Gary Rehm, had his own particular word for these brothers/shipmates.

“The sailors on the ship he called his kids,” his uncle Stanley Rehm Jr. told The Daily Beast. “He called them his kids.”

And, by various accounts, Gary Rehm had saved at least 20 of them after the collision. He then went down to save more.

“He said, ‘If my kids die, I’m going to die,’” the uncle said.

Gary Rehm perished with the six others.

“He could have walked away and been safe,” the uncle noted.

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The uncle reported that Gary Rehm had himself been a kid right out of high school when he joined the Navy, as his grandfather Stanley Rehm Sr. had during World War II.

“He wanted to be just like his grandfather,” the uncle recalled.

The grandfather had also served on a destroyer, the USS David W. Taylor, DD 551.

“[The grandfather] was so proud of that ship,” the uncle said. “He went to all the reunions.”

The uncle said the USS Taylor escorted the battleship USS Missouri into Tokyo Bay for the formal signing of the Japanese surrender in 1945.

So it seemed only fitting that Gary Rehm’s last two-year tour before he planned to retire took him aboard the destroyer Fitzgerald to Japan.

“Where his grandfather was,” the uncle said. “Japan.”

Early Saturday morning, the Fitzgerald was off the coast of Japan when it collided with the container ship ACX Crystal. Gary Rehm leapt into action to rescue his kids.

“He was saving guys,” the uncle said. “He saved quite a few of them.”

One of the ill-fated shipmates/brothers, Xavier Martin, reportedly tried to phone his father back in Maryland but could not get through.

The father, Darrold Martin, spent Father’s Day calling every father he knew and then began calling the families of the sailors who had died.

Darrold Martin and the parents of the six who had been unable to get out could at least console themselves with the thought that in the final moments their sons were joined by a senior man who could have saved himself but chose to save his kids or die trying.

On Monday, the uncle was saying that you did not need to be a sailor for Gary Rehm to come to your aid.

“He helped everybody who needed help,” the uncle said. “He was always ready to help anybody who needed it. He was just that kind of guy.”

But the ones he called his kids were closest to his heart, and when the ship was docked stateside near his home in Virginia, he would invite those who were far from home to join him on holidays.

“Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter,” the uncle remembered.

The uncle reported that Gary Rehm never had children of his own.

“He had the Navy,” the uncle said.

These days, that meant his kids could include sailors of every race, creed, background, sexual orientation, and gender identify, all at least on the way to becoming the greatest product Made in the USA, the essential element of true greatness:

Americans.

The uncle allowed that Gary Rehm had suggested he might put off his plans to retire when the tour ended in three months if he somehow managed to secure a promotion to captain.

“And command his own ship,” the uncle said.

That dream ended as Gary Rehm sought to save the rest of his kids. The USS Fitzgerald (DDG62) is named after Navy Lt. William Fitzgerald, who received a posthumous Navy Cross during the Vietnam War for sacrificing himself so his comrades could escape an overwhelming enemy force. Gary Rehm was no less brave and selfless. He is no less deserving of having a destroyer named after him.

If some future destroyer is christened the USS Rehm—and one should be—you can bet that future kids will arrange themselves in a particular formation on the stern.

“62.”

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